Also it is absurd to suggest their is no conventional wisdom concerning exterior paint being used on interiors. Of course among the booze-drenched journeyman crowd and their ilk, I assume there is some debate. Otherwise let's hear the specific sources! For all his supposed fact-based research on the topic, I notice Homebld never does address the question WHY use exterior paint on interiors?
He alludes to a supposed great number of people out there who think it's okay. How about some substance to back that up? I agree with Billbwb that it is kind of lame to weigh in so heavily at one point of a discussion and fail to show up later when the jury is in. But as far as using exterior paint on interiors, I think 5slb6's post a few back says it best: "I know painters that do this and the reason is that alot of exterior paints cover better than interior paints so in order to cut corners this is what they do.
For instance, I notice he goes out of his way to punctuate a point about mildewcide being used as an additive in interior as well as in exterior paint. Also it is absurd to suggest there is no conventional wisdom concerning exterior paint being used on interiors. He alludes to what seems to be a supposed great number of people out there who think it's okay. Ok, that honestly is interesting. Now let's have some names. And let them tell us all WHY they do it.
I think 5slb6's post a few back says it best: "I know painters that do this and the reason is that a lot of exterior paints cover better than interior paints so in order to cut corners this is what they do. Hello Everyone! I am the original homeowner who posted the original message. I must say that this bantering back and forth is something that I never expected when I posted way back when. I would like everyone to know that yesterday the room and hall were repainted, based on the recommendations of the technical staff at Benjamin Moore.
What my painter told us is very true. I suspect based on some of the above posts, that had I used one particular person to do the job, he would have been the one to come back and tell me that it "wasnt his problem. I'll let you know how it turns out. What I can say is that both yesterday and today here in TX. No odor at all other than the new paint odor. We will see what happens over the next few days. I'll let all you professionals "fight it out".
I just want the smell gone in my home and this nightmare to finally be over!! Thanks for the follow-up. Really it was not so much a fight as it was an opportunity to set a reluctant someone straight--or at least attempt to limit what questionable information that person may pass on. Still, I would not be surprised to find Homebld sticking to his guns.
I mean, why let the facts get in the way? They never figured much in his point-of-view before. I'm glad to see the homeowner took the path of least resistance by going for the most obvious thing first. And in any event it's nice to see a problem solved! One final note on exterior paint and interiors. Exterior paint is unquestionably formulated much differently than interior paint. When you coat a surface, the paint doesn't just sit there like a good dog.
Lots of invisible chemicals interact with the surface. Others escape. Exterior paints are formulated to be tougher than their interior counterparts, and thier different, "tougher" chemicals factored to escape into the outside air. Word to the wise. We have had numerous days this week that were warm and when I was sure that I would have to deal with it again.
I cannot begin to tell you how happy we are to know that it was the paint and that we wont have to wake each day, wondering when the odor will come upon us or hoping that noone comes for an unexpected visit! May my nightmare hopefully be a warning to all homeowners and "true professionals" out there that interior paint used indoors has caused atleast one homeowner months of unecessary distress and concern for her families health, along with money spent on numerous troubleshooters in her home who diligently were trying to figure all of this out.
I hope that our ordeal might be a wake up call to those "doubters" out there. Thanks again for all of your messages. A happy Texas homeowner Sorry- after re-reading my message, I meant exterior paint used indoors!!
Sorry for the error. Thanks for the follow-ups. Much appreciated. Actually it was a few of us setting one particular person straight--or at least attempting to limit the impact of his questionable-at-best information--information that he was just bound and determined to pass on. And yet I would not be surprised to find Homebld sticking to his guns. They never figured into his point-of-view before. Anyway I'm glad to see the homeowner took the path of least resistance by going for the most obvious solution first.
And in any case it's nice to see such a nasty and lingering problem solved! One final note. Exterior paint is formulated differently than interior paint. When you coat a surface, chemicals interact and some are designed to escape. Exterior paints are formulated to be tougher than their interior counterparts, and thier chemicals designed to escape into the OUTSIDE air.
I am glad the Ops problems appear to be resolved. There was NEVER any argument from me about the possibility that it was the paint, just that the symptoms dictated could have been something else completely AND that under most circumstances, using exterior paint interiorally produces no ill results. Except for those who have insisted on falsley putting words in my mouth or fabricating stories about what I have allegedly 'said', then feigning shock at my "words" I have been open to the possibility of the paint being 'bad' right along.
Hope the OPs smell doesn't come back, hope nobody uses exterior paint on their interiors, and hope some of the posters here develop better manners I glad that your problem is gone and I hope that I was able to help in in getting that done for you and your family. Homebld, you were quoted directly more then once in those previous posts, and you never answered.
You were questioned directly more than once. Again, you did not answer. Then you compound your revisionist history by saying: "There was NEVER any argument from me about the possibility that it was the paint.
Sure, you covered your rear, but it's clear what you're saying. And let's not forget the level of argumentative ferver in your second post.
You were quoted directly on that once already. Finally, as predicted, Homebld remains clinging if only faintly to his guns. The Ops declares "The verdict is in!! Is that the best 'cleanedge' can do? Take my comments out of context, twist them about, never offer any proof of their error, nor provide evidence his own claims are true, then conclude me wrong?
If that is the 'best' cleanedge can claim, I wouldn't trust him with painting anything I owned let alone making authoritative yet completley unsupported claims about Exterior vs Interior paints despite manufacturers' arguments to the contrary. Cleanedge just wants to argue for argument's sake and not to provide any more truth to this thread or aid the poster which he has not done in any way.
I can only then conclude that cleanedge is nothing more than a continued malcontent despite my own admissions that I am glad the OP had her problems solved and am glad for her. Don't know what cleanedge's problem is but it is not with painting and not even with the truth of my posts. Just seems that cleanedge has personal issues that remained unresolved and he needs to blame them on someone else but himself.
If you tell us where you live maybe we can recommend a good psychiatrist or counselor? Admittedly the man has powerful gumption to complain he was taken out of context when the full citation of his post was offered as evidence against his claim that "There was NEVER any argument from me about the possibility that it was the paint. Homebld never explains how he is taken out of context. Just that it is so.
Again, the essence of Homebld. I would not be at all satisfied that this remains a 'paint' problem until all other known causes of the odor have been resolved. You can use exterior paints inside. Exterior paint is usually thicker, is sun and rain resistant and is also designed to flex as your wood siding expands and contracts due to heat.
They do have higher VOCs and do release more surfactants than interior paints. Similarly, is Glidden A good exterior paint? Different paints have different properties, and are formulated for different purposes.
Interior paint is made to be scrubbed, resist staining, and allow cleaning. Exterior paints are made to combat against fading and mildew. The only difference between painting interior walls and garage walls is the type of paint you should use. Exterior paint is thicker, tougher and mildew-resistant, so use an exterior acrylic latex paint to give garage walls a new life. Can I use Glidden exterior paint inside? Category: hobbies and interests painting. There are exterior and interior paints for a reason.
Exterior paints should not be used inside as the mildecides used are not designed for interior use and can cause respiratory problems in some people.
The higher volume of acrylics in the exterior paint could also be the cause of the lingering odor. What happens if you use exterior paint inside? Can I use exterior paint inside my bathroom? Yes, there is. I would try a small area and see what transpires.
I am thankful for the advisories. I also realize there are many variables so I will proceed with caution. Honestly, cleanedge. You need to give it up and get a life. You seem to have a deep rooted personal vendetta against Homebld. Very strange and elaborate posts. Maybe have your meds adjusted, man. Oh, and good luck correcting all the bad info on the internet, dude. This is very dated discussion, but I'm grateful to have found it. I have the same problem in the back stairwell of my duplex, and it's been baffling me for years.
Now that I have read this, I have a new working theory. A couple of years after I moved in a hot water valve burst in my unheated basement. It was winter, and so there was an incredible amount of steam that went right up the stairwell also unheated , causing the paint on the walls to crack and peel. I scraped off the peeled paint, but never repainted. Now that I think about it, that's about when the problem started.
I'll repaint this spring, and report the results here. Check your garburator. When we first moved into our house, there were stinky coverups all over the house including inside the toilets, on the toilet rolls. Pretty well everywhere imaginable. When we initially went into the house, both times she was either cooking with onions or had just finished cooking with onions.
We got rid of all the coverups and 'garbbed' a lemon plus bottle brushed the inside of the garburator - the stink totally disappeared and has not been back since.
I think it is a good paint it will dry and cure its know diffrence than u seing oil paint on cabinets trim etc. I've used exterior trim paint on my interior trim for 20 years because it easier and better and retains it's color and lustre longer that is the only reason,with no smells or health problems. Ad for interior walls I've only recently used exterior flat paint because I figure it is more resistant to repeted cleanings without losing it's color or any lustre if you use any satin or semi gloss or higher gloss,and it should be more resistant to fading from sun and uv light.
They are the only reasons I use it indoors. By the way why all the fighting between responders? The original poster and many of us just want to know if it's bad and we still don't know if it shouldn't be used indoors. I painted my closet with exterior paint yesterday. The smell is still very bad. Should I repaint it with interior paint? If the paint is alright can I put clothes back in this closet, etc? I actually spilled the can off the ladder and I was covered in paint along with the hardwood floors.
Do I have to do anything regarding the floors now. I used vinegar and a brillo pad to get it off, but you can still see paint in the wood. The floors are over 60 years old. I am really worried about my dog. Thanks for your help in this matter. Dear homebild, the exterior paint is the culprit, no matter what brand you use exterior paint should be only outside.
The major difference your exterior paint has is 1 higher UV protectsnts to protect from sunlight damage 2 high moisture blocking, if it didn't your wood would rot The moisture is probably the problem, interior paints allow the walls to breathe, exterior paint does not. Basically any moisture is evaporating off the exterior paint faster which allows mold and other things to grow faster To help make things right I would have the paint contractor come back and sand down the exterior paint to grit.
Use 2 coats of benjamin Moore fresh start acrylic primer and 2 coats of bejamin Moore interior acrylic paint. Thst will block out any off gassing from the remainder of the exterior paint In the meantime use fabreeze in the spray bottle and spray the walls daily to control the odor until you get it repainted.
Annie Malone December Should it not be used inside? Wouldn't it have the same chemicals and smell as regular exterior paint? We all know why we should not use an interior paint outside, that's an easy one. But the only reason I thought you should not use exterior paint inside would be the cost , why spend more money for something you don't need, it is more expensive and you do not need the durability of that paint inside, I am not a professional painter , but have done a lot of painting in over 40 yrs, I've used exterior paints inside to use up left over paint , that's not "cutting corners " like a previous post stated it's just Better than throw it away or waiting until you need it again a few years later and the paint is no good by then.
I have also bought exterior paints on sale or clearance at a very good price and used them inside and haven't had any trouble , it does have a stronger smell but has gone away after a short time. Bob painted the room in his basement from pm to pm each night for 5 nights.
How does anyone know what the case is if; A you don't know if it was oil or water based and b You don't know the product and therefore you don't know the VOC? Homebody meant well. Geez it is opinions and no one is an expert. I am just reading this and I feel homebody was being attacked. Wow, reading this was almost better then watching paint dry. What a pos thread I too am glad I'm not a painter if this represents the profession at all. I do have several rental properties that I have maintained for nearly 30 years Exterior paint covers better Does that make me a painter Nope, but it works for my purposes when needed, and works well.
Depends on how much you like to paint I guess. Worse than some exterior paints in my opinion Good luck and Happy trails Hi , my name is Wade. I have been painting for over 30 yrs. So to answer your question regarding the order smell. My thoughts are ; Yes, it is possible that it can be the paint causing the odor.
But now here are a few other things to consider also regarding the exterior paint product. Because the longer it sits, especially after opening can start getting moldy itself. It will have a very harsh smell when you open the can. So if that's the case there is your problem. It is known for some people to cut corners and use up old stock of theirs to get rid of it.
And still charge you too price for the product. You need to read the Safety Data Sheet before using an exterior paint indoors. The most common mildewcide is iodopropylbutylcarbamate and is fairly harmless in a bedroom but N-0ctylisothiazolone can react with ozone to give a skunk mercaptan smell and chlorothalonil can sublime into the air and the now outlawed mercury mildewcide has severe ly harmed children when used in their bedroom.
Bobby, Bobby, Bobby The contents of exterior paint oil based or acrylic based Can Damage the respiratory and nervous system of humans and off gas for years and this is very measurable. Please use like a milk based paint inside and take care of your health.
Just play it safe. I have a child who was severely ill for this very reason we corrected the problem she smiled and could breathe again. It is December !!!! Who is who they were 15 years later? I came here because I am having paint contractor possible problems because I have decided to change the exterior color they just painted. It took them a day for the part they painted. I need it redone. Does it mean I get charged double? May be or may not be it depend on the policies of that painting contractor but I suggest you a good painting contractor which I know for their excellent work done recently at my place.
I would recommend trying their services and if you have to pay extra then pay for quality work. The steps for the furniture preparations are the same as that with the walls.
You will start by sanding and end with painting. Remember to remove the other accessories that go along with the furniture.
From kitchen cabinets, counters, to chairs and tables, exterior paints provide them the better coat than other wood stains.
This will also give them a nice look of polished wood. Your projects to renewing furniture should be accompanied by the equipment such as brushes and paint sprayers. Working with furniture can be a hassle because not all of them are the same sizes. With the large tables with many cabinets that require heights to reach them, going for a paint sprayer is your right choice.
This tool is portable, avoid fewer mistakes like what you would make when using brushes. The tank capacity allows you to work for a long time before the refill, meaning that you can complete many tasks quickly. Spray guns are manufactured for even beginners. You can get one of the amazing tools at a low price. The weather is a big factor when you work on the furniture. You can wear shorts when working for the convenience and ventilation for your legs. With an ideal temperature it can produce a better result so choosing when to do it is very important.
The surface can dry too fast, leaving the mistakes to remain. Or if the humidity is too high, the imperfections such as molds can be easily observed. Drywalls require you to sand the surface carefully before applying a good primer. Only then can you proceed to the final painting step. But what if the walls are already covered in paint?
Can you paint exterior paint over interior paint? In this case, you will have to put in more effort to get the best result. First, you should converse the walls back to the original condition for further convenience.
Remove the paint by scraping and sanding the walls. It is not guaranteed that the paint will be gone completely, but you can remove it as much as possible. Then, continue to apply the primer.
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